11.6.13

Sunshine Saints


I remember when the Chick-fil-A debacle happened and Christians claiming to be 'persecuted' for what they believed supported the place in droves as an issue of freedom of religion and speech instead of seeing it for what it really was, as an organization that gives financial support to anti-gay marriage groups. There was no example of loving your gay neighbor as yourself as much as it was a "Let's stick it to the gays" (the real thrust behind the Chick-fil-A support) that went directly against 1 Corinthians 8:13. Some Christians went to the protest demonstrations outside the restaurants knowing their presence there would turn into confrontations with gays and their supporters. These same Christians would then post all over social media the clashes they had with these protesting gays with; "See how gays are bullies and hate the Gospel?" Instead of admitting they went with the intent of adding fuel to the fire by baiting gays to react, the way ANYONE would react. Don't ask me what this has to do with street preachers because I haven't a clue why I went here other than writing this post when it first blew up.

Street preachers (Not the screaming ones. I have yet to hear of a testimony where someone says "I was saved by someone screaming at me on a street corner from sleeping with as many women as I could") really believe they are taking the high road with talking personally to homosexuals on the street with what they think is a message of love, but if a message is bad, it doesn't matter if you say it from a bullhorn on the street corner or in a quiet voice one-on-one. When dealing with unbelievers, gay or straight, you have to be led by the Holy Spirit with a correct message otherwise it's a message that will fall on deaf ears. When that happens confusion and anger reign and God is in no part in it. I spoke with street preacher Steve Sanchez on his blog and it was going well until he realized:

A. I was a homosexual who did believe the Gospel.
B. I was reaching out to him in loving kindness by pointing out his error instead of giving him the reactionary response he was expecting.
and
C. He wasn't looking very 'right' in our discussion.

The next thing I knew, he deleted all my posting and I was left saying; "What just happened?"
Instead of taking what I said as food for thought, he just didn't want to hear it anymore because he's been doing what he's been doing for so long, that he believes he CAN'T be wrong. You shouldn't take pride in throwing the Gospel in the face of others like it was a pail of ice water. The moving of the Holy Spirit on the heart is what brings conviction to Salvation, not arguments bringing shame and condemnation.

The saying; "Hell is paved with good intentions" really hits the mark with street preachers who have their hearts in the right place the right place, but not knowing a knowing God is sitting this one out.


8.6.13

Russ

Those who know me on social at any length, or read my testimony, know I'm in a relationship. I never talk about Russ because this is a ministry and not a couple's blog with my lovable lug. I guess if I did incorporate him more, people would see that you really can be gay and in a committed , Christ- centered, relationship of genuine love that can be an inspiration. I can post pics on Instagram of us with our kids (Pepo, Pendejo, and Sal) and TikToks of our family outing when we just eat whole Cosco chickens in the parking lot instead of a park. 

I did for real have a secular blog years ago and it was pretty cool. But I also know that if I started to be more of a couple on social media, it would take away, even if a little, what I say about homosexuality and the Bible because then people would only be invested in us as a couple and not what I preach.

So for the sake of this ministry, no pics of picnics in wet soccer fields or Russ giving a wallop to Sal because he ate all of Pepo's chicken legs.




6.6.13

"N.T. Wright's blunder on homosexuality," By Richard Fellows. 



Paul, I think, was against heterosexual sex outside of committed relationships (marriage), and it is safe to assume that he was also against homosexual sex outside of committed relationships. Paul's statements against homosexuality in Rom 1:18-2:4 and 1 Cor 6:9 do not state that gay marriage is an exception, but this silence is significant only if something similar to gay marriage occurred in Rome or Corinth in Paul's day. N.T. Wright believes that Paul was indeed aware of committed homosexual relationships: 

He gave the following comments in this video.

But one thing I do know, as an ancient historian, is that there is nothing in contemporary understanding and experience of homosexual condition and behavior that was unknown in the first century. The idea that in the first century it was all about masters having odd relationships with slaves or older men with younger men - yeah sure that happened, but read Plato's Symposium. They have permanent faithful stable male-male partnerships - lifelong stuff - Achilles and Patroclus in Homer - all sorts of things. 

Similarly, here, he writes: 

In particular, a point which is often missed, they knew a great deal about what people today would regard as longer-term, reasonably stable relations between two people of the same gender. This is not a modern invention, it's already there in Plato. 

In his Paul for Everyone: Romans Part 1, he writes: 

Nor is it the case, as is sometimes suggested, that in the ancient world homosexual relationships were normally either part of cult prostitution or a matter of older people exploiting younger ones, though both of these were quite common. Homosexual 'marriages' were not unknown, as is shown by the example of Nero himself. Plato offers an extended discussion of the serious and sustained love that can occur between one male and another. 

And he says, 

And as a first century historian I want to say the context in which the New Testament is written is one in which there was a lot of casual homosexual experimentation and whatever. But also as you see, hundreds of years before in Plato, people who were in long-term partnerships. So it isn't the case, as some have said, that the New Testament is simply opposed to a phenomenon which is quite different from what we know today. 

Have you spotted Wright's blunder? The problem here is that the evidence that Wright cites does not support his conclusion. Plato was a Greek writer, not a Roman, and his Symposium was written in 385BC. Paul refers to homosexuality only in 1 Corinthians and Romans, which were written to the most Roman of all his audiences, and he wrote more than four centuries after Plato. Homer's work, the Iliad, dates to the 8th century BC, so is even less relevant to first century Roman sexual practices, and there is no consensus on whether Achilles and Patroclus were homosexual lovers, and, according to Plato, their relationship was one of age dissonance.

As far as I can tell, there is little evidence for anything close to gay marriage in Paul's day. The evidence of committed homosexual relationships in classical Greece merely brings the lack of such evidence from the early Roman empire into sharper focus. Wright, who by his own admission is no specialist on homosexuality, seems to assume that sexual practices must have remained the same across the centuries. They did not. 

The example of Nero, cited by Wright, hardly provides evidence of committed homosexual relationships. Wright is referring to the 'marriages' of Nero to Sporus and to Doryphorus, as recorded by Suetonius: Nero XXVIII-XXIV. The passage, which doesn't make pleasant reading, is reproduced here:

XXVIII. Besides abusing freeborn boys and seducing married women, he debauched the vestal virgin Rubria. The freedwoman Acte he all but made his lawful wife, after bribing some ex-consuls to perjure themselves by swearing that she was of royal birth. He castrated the boy Sporus and actually tried to make a woman of him; and he married him with all the usual ceremonies, including a dowry and a bridal veil, took him to his house attended by a great throng, and treated him as his wife. And the witty jest that someone made is still current, that it would have been well for the world if Nero s father Domitius had had that kind of wife. This Sporus, decked out with the finery of the empresses and riding in a litter, he took with him to the assizes and marts of Greece, and later at Rome through the Street of the Images, fondly kissing him from time to time. That he even desired illicit relations with his own mother, and was kept from it by her enemies who feared that such a relationship might give the reckless and insolent woman too great influence, was notorious, especially after he added to his concubines a courtesan who was said to look very like Agripinina. Even before that, so they say, whenever he rode in a litter with his mother, he had incestuous relations with her, which were betrayed by the stains on his clothing. 

XXIX. He so prostituted his own chastity that after defiling almost every part of his body, he at last devised a kind of game, in which, covered with the skin of some wild animal, he was let loose from a cage and attacked the private parts of men and women, who were bound to stakes, and when he had sated his mad lust, was dispatched by his freed man Doryphorus; for he was even married to this man in the same way that he himself had married Sporus, going so far as to imitate the cries and lamentations of a maiden being deflowered. Clearly, Nero was not a homosexual in the sense that we would understand the term, and his "marriages" were not committed relationships in any sense. Suetonius's mentions of Nero's "marriages" to men appear in a discussion of Nero's bazaar sexual practices, and this suggests that Suetonius expected the idea of homosexual marriages to appear bazaar to his readers. Suetonius would not have written "he married him with all the usual ceremonies", if this was a recognized practice. Thus, Wright's mention of Nero's "marriages" backfires on him, doesn't it?

Wright says that there has been a lot of confusion about homosexuality, but I fear that he has added to it. Unfortunately many will turn to Wright and other famous writers for guidance on passages like Rom 1:18-2:4 and 1 Cor 6:9, but there is no substitute for consulting specialists and, preferably, the source documents.

28.5.13

A Tale of Two Priests

The book of Ecclesiastes says:
"There is a vanity which is done upon the earth; that there are just men, unto whom it happens according to the work of the wicked; again, there are wicked men, to whom it happens according to the work of the righteous: I said that this also is vanity."

Recently a priest came out with damning words for the Boy Scouts because of their acceptance of gay scouts. The words this priest spoke as a representative of a loving Christ was so repellent, so disgusting with what he had to say about gay youth in the scouts, it made other religious leaders say; "I have nothing to do with this one."

I looked closer at this supposed man of the moth eaten cloth and found these words from him; "I have a good life: food on the table often prepared by parishioners, decent health, fraternal love expressed openly by my parish family, bills paid, and in general a personal peace."

Now I happen to know another priest by the name of Reverend Jonathan Hagger. This priest in contrast has troubles paying his monthly bills and is spoken about as a heretic deserving of his fate with what was, or was not, a blessing of a same sex couple. I see a fury in him with the indignity shown me as a gay man by those in and out of the faith and it sits like a rotting trout in the man's spirit. It wouldn't have been out in left field if he did what he did for a gay couple under his church's nose.

Unlike the priest who thinks himself the better to Michael the Archangel in bringing railing accusations with using the Boy Scouts as an excuse, the priest I know, the one who wonders how he'll pay his electric bill, reached out and took the hand that he saw as belonging to a brother in Christ, the hand of a gay man, and said come sup with me.

Tell me, who is the better priest good Samaritan man in the eyes of God with loving kindness?

How doth God know? And is there knowledge in the most High? Behold, these are the ungodly, who prosper in the world, they increase in riches (Psalms 73:11-14).

There is no pat answer why the evil prosper while in this world while the good get wallops that seem to go past chastisements to make us better Christians because there IS no real answer and anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar. It was kept from Job in his tortures when he asked (Job 12:6.) and it is kept from us until the day we don't see through what Paul says is tinted glass. Most people believe the ending given in the book of Ecclesiastes was a later addition not from the original author. They believed this because they refused to accept God would just leave the chapter without some kind of "glass half full" ending, SOMETHING that will give us the reason to human existence that seems without rhyme or reasoning.

26.5.13

gay lite with half the calories

A few years back I got into it with a blogger for the Assemblies Of God church over the issue of gay Christians with the group Soulforce that were being booted off Christian school campuses. Out of the blue the blogger brought up a man's story who identified as an "ex-gay" and how he was "delivered" from homosexuality.

Now I've come across people like this before and at one time I was even a frequent poster at exgaywatch.com. I told the AoG blogger that if you look closely at the stories (like with the man he brought up) of these 'ex-gays,' you find a pattern of same-sex sexual abuse, forced same-sex prostitution and just horrible same-sex sexual experiences that led them to want to leave homosexuality. I questioned if many of these people were really even gay and by getting out of these damaging circumstances and getting over these traumas related to homosexuality, they went back to their true nature of heterosexuality (I don't see many heterosexual men and women running from being straight just because they've had bad opposite-sex experiences).

The big 3 who toot this "gays can change" line for the self loathing are Narth, considered the largest 'medical' organization touting the ex-gay myth with mental health quakes held over from the era when homosexuality was considered a mental disorder. Exodus International, the largest umbrella group for ex-gay ministries across the nation who's founder ran off with another man and renounced the organization and topping off the unholy ex-gay trinity is PFOX (a slap in the face to the friends and families gay affirming group PFLAG), a group with a persecution complex who's president is a mother who resents her son being gay so much, she makes it her life mission to tell other parents it's O.K. if you don't accept your child's homosexuality and still love Jesus.

If you follow the money trails with these organizations you'll find they are funded by rabid anti-gay conservative groups who parade these supposed ex-gays out in the public to say; "See?! You aren't born gay and here's the proof. Now dance like a monkey for us you ex-gay freaks so everyone can see you!"

Recently it was big news when Exodus International reversed it's stance on gays "changing" that sent a blow to the whole ex-gay circus that followed various scandals of ex-gay leadership who couldn't stay on the opposite-sex love bandwagon and ex-gay groups getting caught twisting scientific data for their own agenda. Even my favorite anti-gay theologian Robert Gagnon got in on the fray when he wrote that the president of Exodus International, Alan Chambers, step down (Gagnon's over the top piping made many realize what I've said all along, the man is unbalanced (read; Loopy) when it comes to the issue of homosexuality) that forced Exodus to give a public response.*

In a way I feel sorry for these rare birds called "ex-gays." To me they are the walking damaged who believe that for God to love them, they have to hate a part of themselves that can love another.

VICE


Now that reparative therapy is finally seen for the horror it is since I first wrote this post way back in 2013, "ex-gays" are now changing their tune to; "GOD changed me, not a group that I joined to help me change." I also see they are becoming more strident with holding events and marches, but isn't that rubbing it in our faces? What anti-gays say gays do with Pride events and parades?



* Exodus International is now shuttered with their leaders either apologizing or running into the private sector without saying a word (Paulk is now a chef who makes his own bĂ©arnaise sauce from scratch) and that includes the Jewish equivalent of Exodus, JONAH, that the courts shut down. 





Jeff couldn't pack his Dior luggage fast enough when he saw the "Ex-Gay Camp" counselors on the brochure


17.5.13

Tutti Fruttuti

Italian Christians celebrate "Day Against Homophobia." Makes you wonder if French Christians, Belgium Christians etc, are celebrating the day hiding behind their sofas so you can't see them from the front window.



16.5.13

Post Mid-ern

“Well, while you were in the bathroom, I sat down at this picnic table here in Bumblefug, Kentucky, and noticed that someone had carved that GOD HATES FAG, which, aside from being a grammatical nightmare, is absolutely ridiculous. So I'm changing it to 'God Hates Baguettes.' It's tough to disagree with that. Everybody hates baguettes.”


-John Green, An Abundance of Katherines


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